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Referee Kevin Friend Has Cost Us 3 Points; Shocking decision-making
Topic Started: Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM (1,670 Views)
cpthurme
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I understand we could've played better in the second half, but the ref has cost us 2 goals.

Davies just flopped to the ground! Johnson did nothing wrong for the penalty.

I have no idea what the free was for that led to the 2nd goal, looked like two Bolton players jumped on top of Ferguson.
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Bumble
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Agreed, we bossed Bolton for 85% of the game and the ref gave them a lifeline.
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cpthurme
Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM
I understand we could've played better in the second half, but the ref has cost us 2 goals.

Davies just flopped to the ground! Johnson did nothing wrong for the penalty.

I have no idea what the free was for that led to the 2nd goal, looked like two Bolton players jumped on top of Ferguson.

Sorry . Only agree the free kick was a poor decision , the penalty was poor defending . You dont give the referee a decision to make for a nothing challenge !!
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blueblood
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Aug 29 2010, 03:57 PM
Agreed, we bossed Bolton for 85% of the game and the ref gave them a lifeline.

Did we boss them in the second half when we were camped in our own penalty area until stoppage time?

I would say they 'bossed' us.
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.
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jthirlb
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YEP- wasn't a pen and the 2 Bolton players were fouling each other. I can only think that he thought one was a Blues player. Bad ref and upperty home crowd, cost us.
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Aug 29 2010, 02:57 PM
Agreed, we bossed Bolton for 85% of the game and the ref gave them a lifeline.

The stats would say otherwise
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nastynafti
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2 points dropped, the penalty is a joke, i expect my centre half to be challenging for the ball, nothing in it, the free kick is a foul on fergie!!!
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I'm not suprised he is by far one of the worst ref's in the prem
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We can blame the ref , but we can also blame ourselves.

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blueblood
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Aug 29 2010, 03:59 PM
And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.
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The penalty was a controversial one, not sure yet myself. Free-kick was a joke, can't see where he's got that one from. But, 2 goals up against a team with 10 men, we really need to learn to finish teams off.
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pooley
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I have said the refs are getting worse and worse and im told they are not

lets face it

united given a soft pen the other week, arsenals pen against blackpool incredibly soft, 3 pens this season against us none were, the pen we had in the week was not a pen (matty had a handful of the other guys shirt and bounced off him), freekick was also soft, going back to last season with the pen against villa...I could go on.

Im willing to be if I watch motd next week and single out and analyse EVERY refereeing decision over 50% will be wrong be it a pen, free kick, offside, ball crossing the line etc.

People say its a hard job but thats no excuse - mentally and physically they are not fit enough - how many refs make a bad decision and then try to 'rectify it' by making an equally bad decision the other way to 'even it up' which is still not right (two wrongs and all that...)

We need physically fitter referees and also mentally stronger refs who can block out the crowd, stand upto the big name players etc.
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Cannot believe Ferguson got sandwiched and he gave it Boltons way. That decision was worse than the pen
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rexx
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too right, the annoying thing is that after the sending off, which was spot on he seemed intent on appeasing the bolton players and management by giving them every 50/50 decision and some that were just laughable. if that was a pen then we should see about 20 pens a game, we should of seen them off but not a lot you can do when the ref is giving such poor decisions against you.
still i'd have taken a point away from home before the game so all in all not the worst result in the world and at least we're scoring goals for a change, just a shame we've started conceeding so many as well.
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blueblood
Aug 29 2010, 04:01 PM
SpokesT
Aug 29 2010, 03:59 PM
And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo
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We dont deserve to get off scot-free, we did sit back and expected to cruise out a win when Gardner scored... but the ref has a lot to answer for, Bolton didnt look like scoring at all apart from the two dodgy set pieces they had!


And as I speak, ive just seen a Vile centre half do worse to an Everton attacker than what Roger done to Davies earlier, and nothing was given at all.
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elliot22
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One of the worst refereeing displays I have ever seen!

What an absolute joke of a referee. He got almost everything wrong, and didn't have a clue how to deal with Davies's backing in and pushing!

The penalty I thought was very harsh, but I can sort of almost see why he gave it.

The free kick is one of the worst decisions I've seen in my life. Ferguson gets jumped on by one player and then that bolton player clatters into Cahill and they get the free kick?! What on earth was that all about? Muamba should have been sent off too for persistent fouling.

What a disgrace! He's one of the best referees in the country?! I'm a level 7 referee and I could have done better! Clown.
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blueblood
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Aug 29 2010, 04:03 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 04:01 PM
SpokesT
Aug 29 2010, 03:59 PM
And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.
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Aug 29 2010, 03:01 PM
SpokesT
Aug 29 2010, 03:59 PM
And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

The foul on RJ being the slap in the face? While the keeper has hold of the ball? That's an advantage to us??????
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blueblood
Aug 29 2010, 03:06 PM
SimonBCFC
Aug 29 2010, 04:03 PM
blueblood
Aug 29 2010, 04:01 PM
SpokesT
Aug 29 2010, 03:59 PM
And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.
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Just found out he was the ref in our last game against bolton the 2-1 loss

http://www.bcfc.com/page/MatchReport/0,,10412~47529,00.html
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blueblood
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Aug 29 2010, 04:02 PM
I have said the refs are getting worse and worse and im told they are not

lets face it

united given a soft pen the other week, arsenals pen against blackpool incredibly soft, 3 pens this season against us none were, the pen we had in the week was not a pen (matty had a handful of the other guys shirt and bounced off him), freekick was also soft, going back to last season with the pen against villa...I could go on.

Im willing to be if I watch motd next week and single out and analyse EVERY refereeing decision over 50% will be wrong be it a pen, free kick, offside, ball crossing the line etc.

People say its a hard job but thats no excuse - mentally and physically they are not fit enough - how many refs make a bad decision and then try to 'rectify it' by making an equally bad decision the other way to 'even it up' which is still not right (two wrongs and all that...)

We need physically fitter referees and also mentally stronger refs who can block out the crowd, stand upto the big name players etc.

Whats their fitness got to do with this?

Premiership referee's are as fit as the footballers on the pitch.

They're constantly assessed on prozone, and on average have to be a minimum of 19 meters from the ball at all times and 14 meters from a foul.

When Sir Alex ferguson made similar, ridiculous, comments about Alan Wiley not being fit enough it was brought out that he ran more than all but 4 of manchester united players in the game AF was refereeing to.

Obviously the referee's are fit enough because their contstantly up with play, to make these decisions with bring such discussion.
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I agree re their fitness and I know they don't often get the view that the TV cameras do etc. But when there is a blatantly obvious reason to award a penalty and the ref forgets to, then how do we excuse it?
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blueblood
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Aug 29 2010, 04:09 PM
blueblood
Aug 29 2010, 03:06 PM
SimonBCFC
Aug 29 2010, 04:03 PM
blueblood
Aug 29 2010, 04:01 PM
SpokesT
Aug 29 2010, 03:59 PM
And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.
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